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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone episode number

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458 for the 30th of July 2017 Richardson

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is here with you from Sydney Australia

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now just this morning on the radio news

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I heard that today in Sydney is expected

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to be a record-breaking heat day

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something like 26 degrees they're

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expecting 26 degrees Celsius of course

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well that will be it will be nice I

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guess

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a nice warm sort of day for this time of

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the year with a low humidity yes and I

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think I can tolerate that might be a

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nice day for a walk in the park

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listening to a podcast or two if you're

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having a walk in the park listening to

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this podcast what you can expect to hear

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over the next hour or so we're gonna

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kick off with an interview with Michael

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Marshall from the good thinking society

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and the Merseyside skeptics he's gonna

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be filling us in on the latest news

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where it comes to homeopathy and the

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prescribing of homeopathy and access to

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homeopathy in the UK it seems the

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government could be making some moves

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there in the right direction like here

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in Australia where it's quite possible

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that not too far down the track laws

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will be changing in regards to this

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classic of quackery after that I catch

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up with my old friend Bob novella from

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the skeptics guide to the universe now

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Bob and the rest of the skeptics guide

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people were in New York just a couple of

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weeks ago for the Nexxus convention and

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I was very lucky to be a guest to rogue

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on the SGU for a live recording in New

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York but before we go on stage I catch

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up with Bob novella to chat about what's

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it like to go live with the skeptics

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guide as opposed to do you two each week

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from their home so that's Bob novella

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coming up a bit later on

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following that it's the raw skeptic

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report this week Heidi Robinson

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reporting from her car again she likes

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reporting from her car this time the car

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isn't moving however Heidi

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going to be telling us about the Hendra

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virus when it comes to horses and issues

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regarding vaccine there so of course

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vaccines aren't only beneficial for

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humans but well your local vet will

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certainly tell you also as ever

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brouhaha science from Australia's

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science channel this week origami hey

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the topic close to my heart

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origami and space travel origami and

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space travel folding in space heads

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coming up a bit later on and then to

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round off the show part two of a series

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of interviews with Anne Reed the

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director of the National Center for

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Science education based in Oakland

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California this week n discusses the ups

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and downs the the warmth and the cooling

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when it comes to the climate change

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science issue some of the arguments that

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have been used over the years and why

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some people are so shall we say stubborn

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when it comes to accepting the science

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when it comes to climate change a packed

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show a packed show a few little

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announcements before we begin and then a

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couple more at the end of the show now

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last week I reviewed the book nibbling

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on Einstein's brain and I went to order

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another coffee myself only to discover

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that the Book Depository currently is

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out of stock I wonder why hmm I wonder

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why hopefully it's because lots of

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skeptics and fans were clicking on that

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site to order the book I put my name on

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their list and they'll email me when

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that book is available again but I guess

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if you google the book and hunt around

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you might be able to find a copy from

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somewhere else or you could put your

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name on the list and they'll let you

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know when that book is available and

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just before we start I hope to see

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Sydneysiders at Sydney's skeptics in the

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pub this Thursday at the Occidental

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hotel near Wynyard station and I'll put

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a link in the Meetup starting at 6 p.m.

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ah this week this time this month

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Ian Bryce the chief investigator of

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Australian skeptics our committee member

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jessica hazard white and myself will be

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conducting three classic

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psychic tests on the audience so if you

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come along he can be part of the fun

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give your psychic abilities ago and

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there'll be prizes along the way so

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that's water divining test we're going

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to be doing a classic we're going to be

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doing it serious a test with Zener cards

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and also predicting the future lots of

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fun Sydney skeptics in the pub but now

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it's time for me to run downstairs being

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careful to to not trip over the cats who

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are just waiting outside the door here

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of the studio because I just had to kick

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but as soon as I started recording they

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were jumping around and playing with

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things and as cats like to do so I'll

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run down the stairs being very careful

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fresh bagels

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why not toast up the bagels and yes I'm

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going for the classics of classics when

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it comes to me anyway but of creamed

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cheese on the bagel and peanut butter Oh

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peanut butter they should write songs

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about you mmm crunchy of course while I

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do that and I hope you enjoy this

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joining me now all the way from

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Liverpool and well he occasionally does

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join the sceptic zone all the way look

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from Liverpool it's none other than

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Michael Marshall hello Marshall climate

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kid always pleasure to be here thank you

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yes you're our sort of unofficial UK

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reporter I think you've been on the show

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enough times to qualify for that oh yeah

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I think so I think I'm maybe only a

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couple more appearances away from

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getting my official badge through the

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post I'm looking for any day now I'll

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send it tomorrow now mash a couple of

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things first of all I was listening to

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that fabulous podcast skeptics with a

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Kay just this morning in fact and

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catching up on some Beckett back

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episodes and can you give our listeners

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a quick overview of what you told your

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listeners about the current news

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absolutely so there was a big

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from NHS England which is one of the

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many myriad bodies that runs the the

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National Health Service here in the UK

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but the big announcement was that there

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is going to be a consultation on whether

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homeopathic prescriptions homeopathic

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remedies are going to be banned from

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prescription so GPS here in the UK

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aren't allowed to prescribe homeopathic

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remedies and then have them reimbursed

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Health Service so this is actually

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pretty significant news now the

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consultation isn't done yet I'm a lot of

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the newspapers reported this as gp's are

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now banned from prescribing homeopathy

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this was the total end of homeopathy on

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the NHS it's not quite there yet but it

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this consultation now that's all for

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three months everybody in the UK and

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possibly even beyond is welcome to

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submit their thoughts as to whether they

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be prevented from prescribing homeopathy

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consultation which I'm hoping very

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strongly and it certainly looks like all

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indications are in the direction that

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homeopathy will then be banned from

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prescription and that will stop a

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reasonable amount of homeopathic

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spending here on the in the UK on the on

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the NHS there'll be still

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be other ways to get it funded so that's

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where your GP instead of giving you a

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service or after the homeopathic

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hospital ridiculously - to get treatment

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message from NHS England that

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homeopathic prescriptions are no longer

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symbolic win when it comes to ending

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homeopathic services around the rest of

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the country which obviously as you know

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things with good thinking for three or

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four years now and it feels like there's

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some real momentum happening it does

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situation to what's happening here in

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up suggesting that or putting it out

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there that homeopathy be now no longer

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supported via sales in pharmacies and

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all these are adding up they're adding

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up they're adding up because each one is

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a victory if it comes through of course

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think that that's that's quite

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remarkable but once and let's look on

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the bright side let's say that in both

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our countries the situation arises as we

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hope that sends a powerful message to

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our colleagues around the planet I think

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the the really indicative aspects of

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this is that when these consultations

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the media isn't taking the angle of Oh

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homeopathy is going to be banned that's

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a shame homeopathy is wonderful here are

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10 holy paths to tell you how amazing

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homeopathy is the media is is pretty

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much on board with this and that shows a

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huge sea change with the web that these

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stories are treated either within the

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media within society more generally I

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think people are now more and more aware

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that home you know that the Holy

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Catholic remedies aren't effective that

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they aren't really anything beyond sugar

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and water so I think that's a testament

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to the work that sceptics have been

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doing for decades I would say and it's

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it's really encouraging when the the

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story about NHS prescriptions was first

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mentioned in March here in the UK they

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didn't mention homeopathy initially

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because it wasn't one of the 10 biggest

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spends

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so they just talk about the ten biggest

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things is there's a whole consultation

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about other products that are going to

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be banned from prescription for not

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being effective - I'm not being cost

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effective so when that consultation is

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being talked about back in March

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newspapers and radio shows were actually

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bringing up homeopathy themselves to say

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why isn't homeopathy included and I

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think that's a remarkable position to be

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in that that when you when people are

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talking about treatments that aren't

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effective the media are spontaneously

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bringing up homeopathy is an example of

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that so it really goes sure how far the

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discourse on homeopathy has come and I

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think that's a huge contributing factor

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to softening the ground for

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consultations like this and steps by

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bodies like the NHS and pharmacies over

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there in Australia to take these very

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necessary steps to stop funding

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homeopathy to stop wasting money on it

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and to stop supporting it it's

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encouraging news indeed Marshall and and

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tip of the hat to you and the good

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thinking society of course and all your

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colleagues in the UK who are working

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hard towards the ascent and and as I

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said I was really brought up-to-date

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with a lot more information by listening

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to skeptics with a k and that podcast is

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sailing along quite well hello is that

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been going now oh gosh I think he might

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started something like August 2009

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something like that

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it's a fortnightly show and I think one

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episode 203 which obviously is hugely

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dwarfed by the number of it yeah you

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certainly do and it's a very enjoyable

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show folks I'll put a link to skeptics

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with a K in the show notes or you can

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just google skeptics with a K and before

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we go Marsh it's not so long now before

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the wonderful QED in Manchester the

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convention how's that shaping up yeah

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it's all coming together really well I

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think whenever you're involved in

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putting together conferences it doesn't

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get any easier have seven years in it

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still takes time but we're pretty

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excited about it I think it's um last

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year's was the biggest and most kind of

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varied QED that we've ever had and this

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is looking to be the same really so yeah

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I'm very very excited about that and if

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people want to find out what what's

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happening at QD they've got a QD car

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dot org we actually have a month left if

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people are looking to bring their

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children to QED and want to access the

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crash facilities who have affordable

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child care that we that we fund while

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we're at QED so for the price of a

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concession ticket you can actually have

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full child care throughout the entire

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weekend so we've got a month left if

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people do want to use that facility they

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need to get in quick because at some

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point we have to shut it so we know how

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many kids were dealing with so yeah

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we're going for that one you know it's

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why you need someone like me there to be

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there making origami for all the kids I

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should send over a truckload of DVD

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origami DVDs for them all on YouTube oh

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yeah I think I probably do well Marsh

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thank you once again congratulations so

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far I know the victory isn't isn't there

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quite yet but I think and you'll have to

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agree things are looking positive yeah

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absolutely I think they really are and

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great stuff in in Australia too

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hopefully that will all pan out to the

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pharmacy stuff and we can all make a

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stride into a more reasonable world it

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at least did that particular aspect

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together at least so Marsh thank you

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once again thanks a lot Richard always

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places peachy guys

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hi this is Ben Radford and this is

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Pascual Romero from the squaring the

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strange podcast every week my co-host

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and I cast a skeptical eye at a

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different topic monsters ghosts demons

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mysteries and even current events are

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dissected and discussed with a fun

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unscripted and skeptical take that

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it's behind the scenes here at the

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Northeast Conference of science and

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skepticism were in the green room which

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is in green it's a bit green it's green

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rabbits do some green plants around the

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edges and we're just getting ready for

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the skeptics guide to the universe live

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I'm with Bob novella hi Bob hey Richard

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how are you I'm okay every now and then

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I get the creepy jetlag feeling but it's

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okay I'm in there you've been there yeah

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but not like you you're an old hand at

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this you travels on the other side of

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the planet it seems like every month

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you're like okay time to travel on the

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other side of the world so I'm thinking

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you're probably used to it by now but

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you're not right done you don't get used

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to it you know what you're gonna get so

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you sort of are aware of it but no you

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never quite get you have to work around

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you know there are I'm going to need to

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nap here I'm gonna need to do this there

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and adapt you adapt you try to adapt I

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thought I have a quick chat with you

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about the difference between between

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doing is to you every week from your

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home and a live experience because they

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are similar but very different huh there

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are different beasts at home when we do

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our weekly show we're at home and we're

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on you know we're on a conference call

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on skype together chatting and and so

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that's and it goes great with that's how

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we do our podcast but when we're all

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together in the same room especially

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care is here from what from the other

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side of the the United States the the

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synergy and the dynamic between us I

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think amps up a little bit and it's al

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it's a lot more fun and they're they're

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great shows plus we also optimized the

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show for stage to be to be a little

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pickier a little quicker you know we try

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to have some visual aids you know some

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visual images that are funny on the

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screen so it's a it's a little bit of a

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kind of a variant of the podcast that's

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optimized for a live audience and it's

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fun it's a it's a lot of fun we always

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look forward to doing that yeah because

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you also get the when you hear the

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recordings they're me it's sitting at

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home or whatever hitting hearing your

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of the live shows you get that feeling

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of the audience because they're laughing

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and they're shouting out things and

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whatever yeah it's it's a complete is a

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very different experience and and

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happier translates well on to the to the

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people listening and they know yeah

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that's a live show oh maybe maybe I'll

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go to a live show one day and see what

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it's like so that'd be great because

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when you were in Australia

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twice now yes in 2010 2014 I think it

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was you did a series of life shows

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around the country time flies and trying

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to remember you've done them all over

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Steve Steve he's spoken in the UK he was

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in Vienna we've done him on though on

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the west coast we've done them you know

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yeah a lot of different places but we

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wanted to go more and more we want to go

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to the UK and do and do a QED eventually

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we're gonna go back to Australia within

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probably a couple years we can't wait to

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do that and probably New Zealand as well

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and who knows who knows where else Hong

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Kong you know we've got different places

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in our sights and we'll get there

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eventually it's wonderful when when I've

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seen you do the live shows in Australia

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the audience it's like they've been

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transplanted from the United States when

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I see the audience in your live shows

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here tam or whatever then the audience

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are enthusiastic and they love it and

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that same feeling is exactly what you

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get when you do it around the world yeah

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it's a little bit extra special because

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you know we do Nexus every year on the

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East Coast we've been on the west coast

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of Tam and for four years as well so a

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lot of people if you pull any audience I

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think you'll find a good chunk of them

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they've seen us been there kind of done

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that and hopefully they're still they're

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not getting bored of us but uh but when

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we were in Australia that was like the

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other the other side of the world so a

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lot of those people like when are they

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gonna see us live because they live

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literally on the other side of the

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planet so there's a little bit of extra

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enthusiasm I think but is it very

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similar but a little bit extra like oh

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wow you know the guys are down here and

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and hopefully they'll see us again in a

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couple years so yeah it's it was such a

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memorable trip when we went to two times

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I can't wait to go back we just all fell

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in love with Australia can't wait to go

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back so I it would be wrong to say what

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what would you rather do would you

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rather do or you're more comfortable

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doing the

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shows or sitting at home and doing it

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but they're different yeah your point of

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view the different beasts they are

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different beasts I like the mix I like

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you know you do your bread and butter

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your home every week and then a handful

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of times a year you go out and that I

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like I like that mix the live audience

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is a little bit more stressful for me I

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still get a little nervous I still over

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prepare you'll if you if you if you

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watch me before we go on stage I'm

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pacing back and forth looking at my

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notes trying to internalize everything

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so that I want to get on stage I can

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relax and not think of what's the next

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topic I want to hit but it's just

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already there and I can focus more on

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engaging the audience and not worrying

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about slipping up so it's a little bit

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stressful but I do love it and but I do

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prepare very very what's very wise

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because you don't want to be sitting on

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stage and stuck for something to say but

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it reminds me of the strange situation

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when I was a guest rogue when you were

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in Sydney last time and we were that

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giant auditorium for the Australian

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skeptics convention and we're on sitting

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on the stage and big things and the

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speakers and we couldn't quite hear each

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other sitting on stage because of the

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echoing do you remember that I can't

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thanks for reminding me I hadn't thought

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about it in a while but that was

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incredibly frustrating because there was

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this weird delay and whenever somebody

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else was talking it was a disconnected

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it was actually interesting in the way

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that it actually short-circuited your

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brain so you had to like try to

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disengage yourself from that weird audio

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effect that was happening so that you

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could actually have a conversation and

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we were just sitting there each of us

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were hoping oh please I hope that the

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audience doesn't detect this because it

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was really a jarring experience but we

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got past it after that initial they kind

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of fixed it but that was a weird like 10

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minutes like damn what is that it's okay

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I'm sitting here thinking I hope the

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audience doesn't think I'm sort of drunk

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or something because I'm not I'm not

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replying and I was looking down the

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other end of the table to Steve trying

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to read his lips decide exactly and it's

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the kind of thing that it's hard to

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anticipate you know you suck you eye who

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would have thought

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wait let's have people on the stage and

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do a test chat to make sure that the

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echo doesn't short-circuit your mind

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like who woulda thought to have done

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that but that's what happened is this

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weird echo they you know you can't

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anticipate that just gotta roll with it

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just could have a roll you do and that's

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one of the the joys and frustrations are

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doing

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right absolutely Oh God don't we talk

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about a V you know a V problem to that

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Center well Bob novella thank you very

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much and I'm looking forward to well I

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guess just about an hour a now it's time

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we'll be live on stage it's gonna be

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great looking forward to it thanks look

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for to have yarn Richard thank you

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greetings listeners

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it's me Captain disillusion on my

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youtube channel called captain

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disillusion aye captain disillusion

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analyzed viral videos of the strange and

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unbelievable I explained how interframe

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video compression 3d motion tracking and

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stock the effects elements proved that

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Justin Bieber is not a secret reptilian

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alien that those videos of ghost cars

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are just unintentional optical illusions

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and that lightning did not strike a few

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feet away from a girl on a beach as we

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saw in the news I'm real fun at parties

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my best friend is a lens flare

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disillusion I do know other people

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sometimes they even show up in my videos

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people like skepticisms grandpa James

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Randi serve de Soleil Acrobat Erica

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Lin's weight loss enthusiast Penn

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Jillette and the actual Beekman from

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Beakman's world I hope you'll check out

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my adventures interact with me in a

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platonic way and even consider becoming

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a patron of my work you can do all that

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and more on YouTube or at Captain

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disillusion calm

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[Music]

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and now direct from the cafe and

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Australia's Science Channel

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it's brouhaha science in less time that

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it takes to order a coffee with such a

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as Shefali when the first astronauts

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land on Mars their top priority will be

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to put a radiation shield between them

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and harmful cosmic rays that's why NASA

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wants your origami expertise but they're

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not talking delicate paper cranes NASA

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is calling for 3d folding concepts they

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can use when it's time to pack for the

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trip science loves origami there are

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robots that stop flat and assemble

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themselves who folds and hinges to scoot

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around small places airbags that are

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designed to deploy with just the right

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amount of force to protect the passenger

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without hurting them and even medical

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devices like hots vents that fit through

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a catheter in their folded form and then

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expand when they're inserted into an

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artery nASA has been inspired by origami

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before as well there are space antennas

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space mirrors space solar panels space

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Sun shields even space radiators which

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can be unfold into their food world but

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for the next generation of space origami

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it's up to you X but folders and creases

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to add new valleys and mountains to the

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Red Planet

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for more brouhaha and Australian science

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[Music]

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Haile Robertson from the Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters this report comes

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to you from Bangalow soccer fields

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currently sitting in my car watching my

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kids run around playing soccer so there

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might be some background noise the topic

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of this report comes to you as a result

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of a listener suggestion thank you Dave

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Dave saw a post on the ABC North Coast

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Facebook page a couple of weeks ago

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about a horse contracting the Hendra

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virus and noted how there was an anti

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vaccination sentiment amongst horse

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owners in which some believed that the

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risk to their horses from the vaccine

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was greater than the risk of the disease

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itself this is something we see commonly

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with vaccination deniers

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I remember the post as I commented on it

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myself at the time firstly some

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information about the Hendra virus and

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this comes from the Australian

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veterinary association website Hendra

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virus HIV is an emerging virus disease

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that was first identified in a large

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outbreak of highly lethal disease in

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racehorses in 1994 in two adjoining

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Brisbane racing stables where 13 horses

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either died or were humanely euthanized

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and seven horses recovered but were

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subsequently euthanized

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a trainer died from multi organ failure

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and his stable hand became ill but

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recovered Hendra virus infections have

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been confirmed in flying foxes horses

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and dogs other animals known to be

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susceptible include cats ferrets pigs

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guinea pigs hamsters and non-human

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primates

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a recent study confirmed that flying fox

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urine is the most significant route of

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HIV excretion in wild caught black

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flying foxes transmission pathways

655
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facilitating a spillover to horses via a

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urinary contamination of pasture feed

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and water sources is highly plausible

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routine observation of the abundance of

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flying fox urine feces and food debris

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underneath trees in which they are

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feeding suggests that horses have a high

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likelihood of direct physical

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contamination with potentially

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infectious material at these sites the

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clinical signs of Hendra virus in horses

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are mainly respiratory and or

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neurological usually with a rapid

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progression to death and with a 79

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percent mortality rate Hendra virus is a

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rare disease in humans there have been

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seven known cases with four deaths a

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case fatality rate of 57 percent the

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human cases have all occurred by close

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contact with the secretions or body

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fluids of infected horses which act as

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amplifiers of the virus one person

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became infected from a horse in the late

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incubation stage before it showed

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clinical signs the Australian Veterinary

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Association believes that the Hendra

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vaccine is the single most effective way

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of reducing the risk of Hendra virus

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infection in horses and therefore of

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preventing disease transmission to

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people now here is the post that ABC

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north coast put up on their page on July

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the ninth

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20-17 Hendra has struck in the region

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for the first time this year with a

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horse neil is more euthanize last night

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by the local Land Services District vet

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following confirmation of the bat borne

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disease the 11 year old gelding was

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unvaccinated against the Hendra virus

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and the property has now been placed

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under movement restrictions by local

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Land Services the New South Wales chief

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veterinary officer dr. Christine

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Middlemiss said samples from the horse

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tested at the DPI's Elizabeth MacArthur

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agricultural Institute confirmed the

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virus the horse was noticed to be

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lethargic on Thursday July the 6th the

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Friday July the 7th the horse was not

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eating and was wobbly on its feet she

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said there has been a case of Hendra

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virus in the area before all known

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Hendra virus cases have occurred in

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Queensland or northern New South Wales

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but cases could occur wherever there are

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flying foxes or in horses that had

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recent contact with flying foxes prior

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to movement

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dr. Middlemiss said that vaccination

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remains the most effective way of

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reducing the risk of Hendra virus of

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infection in horses but good biosecurity

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and personal hygiene measures should

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always be practiced in conjunction with

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it

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she said horses should also be kept away

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from flowering and fruiting trees that

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are attractive to bats do not place feed

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and water under trees and cover feed and

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water containers with a shelter so that

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they cannot be contaminated from above

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the DPI

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advises that if your horse is unwell to

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keep it away from people and other

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animals and to call your private vet

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immediately there were definitely cases

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of people advocating and defending the

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use of the vaccine under this post but

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the number of anti vaccination comments

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was disappointing here are some of the

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comments luke said it's Lismore you

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could give these people and Ebola

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outbreak and they would still protest

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that vaccination is an evil conspiracy

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perpetrated by Mon

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Santo and Illuminati Marion then chimed

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in more horses are injured from the

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vaccine than the Hendra virus itself

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Hendra is extremely difficult to catch

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both horse and human much higher chance

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of death from snakebite car accident

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riding accident etc that comment

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depressingly got 30 people liking it

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Robi then said what is a vaccine injury

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did the needle break off or something

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00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,240
never heard of it then we have the usual

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do your research statement from a

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vaccine denier please all do some

754
00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:48,120
research on this vaccination and you

755
00:31:54,590 --> 00:31:50,750
will see why people don't vaccinate

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another some horses have died gotten

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sick from the vaccine another but or no

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bat wheels within wheels everything from

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bees to whales is getting lame or worse

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00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:08,340
what is happening need to look beyond

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bats and how bats are to blame Hendra

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air quotes virus can the medics really

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keep up with the way the cookies are

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crumbling sea dairy cows agrobacterium

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Morgellons CDC cover-up water treatment

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microbes bacterial co-infection biofilm

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and then came surely the Hendra vac is

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more lethal than the virus no human ever

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has contracted Hendra from casual

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00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:43,410
contact this is another case of big

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pharma working on scare tactics

772
00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:50,130
later on surely again i lot of people

773
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:53,310
commenting here need to know some real

774
00:32:59,660 --> 00:32:56,970
facts about Hendra and Hendra vac before

775
00:33:02,200 --> 00:32:59,670
commenting too many side effects from

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vaccine for my liking

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Dianne the vaccine also makes a lot of

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horse really sick and the never recover

779
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:13,380
fully from that either quite a few have

780
00:33:17,779 --> 00:33:16,170
died from it as well so you are damned

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if you do and

782
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damned if you don't so there you have it

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northern New South Wales with the lowest

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vaccination rates in Australia also has

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people who refuse to vaccinate their

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horses which sadly comes as no real

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surprise

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thanks again Dave for your suggestion

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for this report and until next time this

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has been Heidi Robertson from the

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Northern Rivers vaccination supporters

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good gosh poor Gabbard well you must

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sceptic wish - to shock a desolate is

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just skeptic we serve as a tech elbow

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Python a channel Garnica meet the

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skeptics on podcast hall go to a vision

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heritage from dr. Torres are to the

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manual cock-up shortage heavy like what

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she touched a critical go in vodka - -

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on an excel sheet a I said let me

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raise 20 and then we can shake member

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travelhob solitude or dvd bond skeptic

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we start to sharpen tool but as info at

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skeptic push bond Hootie man - Barbara

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Allen film and the Facebook hold on in

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Kurdish Amita Facebook bond compare

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skeptic gustar Shakti mandalas

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volunteering Sarita dharamdas Vinayagam

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hi this is Gavroche co-president of the

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hungarian skeptics society and chairman

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of the European Council of skeptical

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organizations a solicitor of the sceptic

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zone you probably agree that educating

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others about pseudoscience and critical

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thinking is an important task if you are

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eager to take part in either of these

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activities we would be happy to hear

818
00:35:09,020 --> 00:35:03,470
from you don't hesitate to contact us at

819
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:09,030
www.sceeto.com for at sceptical hu we

820
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:10,890
also recommend you visiting our Facebook

821
00:35:18,580 --> 00:35:13,650
page skeptic which - Rashaad or simply

822
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[Music]

823
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:31,710
and now we bring you part two of our

824
00:35:36,780 --> 00:35:34,570
series of interviews with and read the

825
00:35:39,150 --> 00:35:36,790
director of the National Center for

826
00:35:42,420 --> 00:35:39,160
Science education based in Oakland

827
00:35:44,910 --> 00:35:42,430
California this week and discusses some

828
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:44,920
of the issues revolving teaching climate

829
00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:47,050
change especially when it comes to

830
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:49,630
political implications trying to reach

831
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:51,730
the hearts and minds of teachers and the

832
00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:53,290
general public who sometimes have a

833
00:35:59,070 --> 00:35:55,390
negative view of science and why the

834
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:59,080
idea of a climate change hoax is so

835
00:36:07,430 --> 00:35:59,940
entrenched

836
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:07,440
[Music]

837
00:36:14,730 --> 00:36:11,650
of course because we now say we the

838
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:14,740
skeptical movement has been battling

839
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:16,680
creationism for a very long time

840
00:36:23,580 --> 00:36:21,040
probably about 6,000 planet and it's one

841
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:23,590
of the reasons that initially the

842
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:26,170
Australian skeptics were very prominent

843
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:29,130
it was battling this and we've got this

844
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:31,450
interesting transition now where we hear

845
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:33,730
the same arguments in regard to climate

846
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:37,090
change and you probably have the same

847
00:36:40,410 --> 00:36:38,770
situation in this country where I've

848
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:40,420
noticed a lot of the shall I say

849
00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:42,850
conservative media outlets in Australia

850
00:36:47,490 --> 00:36:45,880
are on the hoax bandwagon yeah that's

851
00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:47,500
the same thing here I am oh absolutely

852
00:36:53,610 --> 00:36:50,830
in fact I think the US has probably gone

853
00:36:56,370 --> 00:36:53,620
the furthest down the road of rejecting

854
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,380
climate science has become a part of the

855
00:37:02,070 --> 00:36:58,720
identity of one of our parties that it's

856
00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:02,080
the official stance to the point that

857
00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:04,630
the candidates how many did we start out

858
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,350
with 17 oh I married quite a candidate

859
00:37:11,550 --> 00:37:10,240
slight a few yeah none of them were

860
00:37:13,350 --> 00:37:11,560
willing to just come right out and say

861
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:13,360
climate change is happening and humans

862
00:37:19,410 --> 00:37:16,330
are responsible now so it that's how

863
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:19,420
much of a plank in the Republican

864
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:21,370
platform it's become yeah and that's a

865
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,490
real problem because most people get

866
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:26,560
their take their opinion about climate

867
00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:28,510
change from their cultural

868
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:29,460
identification

869
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:32,940
rather than from I didn't hmm sir if

870
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,530
exploring the science I guess you could

871
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:36,480
say that about many things in life it's

872
00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:38,520
true yes I think and we all do it it's

873
00:37:43,579 --> 00:37:39,630
not just though conservatives are

874
00:37:46,730 --> 00:37:43,589
uniquely sheep like we all are we all

875
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:46,740
you know if I don't know something about

876
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:48,210
a particular policy

877
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:51,690
I'll look I'm a Democrat I'll say well

878
00:37:55,579 --> 00:37:53,820
what is you know what does the

879
00:37:59,240 --> 00:37:55,589
Democratic Party say about it what's the

880
00:38:01,220 --> 00:37:59,250
house you know caucus on that issue say

881
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:01,230
about it and I'm likely to say okay well

882
00:38:04,609 --> 00:38:02,970
that sounds reasonable to me I they know

883
00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:04,619
a lot about it I don't I usually agree

884
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:08,220
with them not always but but largely we

885
00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:10,680
do take our cues on issues that we can't

886
00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:13,260
research ourselves yes from people we

887
00:38:17,290 --> 00:38:14,180
trust

888
00:38:19,849 --> 00:38:17,300
being human absolutely I do it I'm sure

889
00:38:22,220 --> 00:38:19,859
everybody does that I mean it would be

890
00:38:24,589 --> 00:38:22,230
difficult to live life any other way

891
00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:24,599
yeah I think about it yeah you have to

892
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:27,540
rely on but should we say expert opinion

893
00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:31,730
and that's why our focus on teachers

894
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:33,750
gives us such an enormous opportunity

895
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:35,609
because teachers do have a lot of

896
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:37,740
credibility and Trust and they come from

897
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,140
the communities usually they come from

898
00:38:45,140 --> 00:38:42,560
the communities where they teach so they

899
00:38:46,940 --> 00:38:45,150
you know that sort of communications

900
00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:46,950
mantra that to get to change people's

901
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:49,320
minds you need a simple message repeated

902
00:38:54,740 --> 00:38:51,570
often from a variety of trusted sources

903
00:38:56,030 --> 00:38:54,750
and teachers are one of those sources

904
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:56,040
science teachers are one of those

905
00:39:03,740 --> 00:38:59,760
sources that people can really trust so

906
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,750
our goal is to make it easier for

907
00:39:08,170 --> 00:39:05,760
teachers and and to raise the

908
00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:08,180
expectations on teachers that they

909
00:39:17,060 --> 00:39:12,300
handle these topics competently and

910
00:39:18,620 --> 00:39:17,070
confidently yes even if they're in

911
00:39:21,290 --> 00:39:18,630
communities where they expect a lot of

912
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,300
pushback and what we need to acknowledge

913
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:23,520
is we not we can't from ncsc we can't

914
00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:26,010
suddenly turn every science teacher in

915
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:28,740
the country into a Bay Area liberal

916
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:30,570
skeptic you know that's not going to

917
00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:33,450
happen most teachers are reflective

918
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:35,339
communities that they live in they're

919
00:39:39,740 --> 00:39:38,040
very religious and religious parts of

920
00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:39,750
the country they're very Republican and

921
00:39:43,340 --> 00:39:41,460
Republican parts of the country but

922
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:43,350
science teachers generally

923
00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:45,810
when they're surveyed they tend to agree

924
00:39:51,380 --> 00:39:48,060
with the scientific consensus more than

925
00:39:53,870 --> 00:39:51,390
whatever other community they belong to

926
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:53,880
so even very religious teachers are much

927
00:39:57,860 --> 00:39:56,310
more likely to accept evolution even

928
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:57,870
Republican teachers are much more likely

929
00:40:03,170 --> 00:39:59,820
to accept climate changes learning so

930
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:03,180
those are the teachers that we really

931
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:08,970
want to reach and help them teach the

932
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:11,490
science more confidently I think just

933
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,330
getting back to the point you're making

934
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,400
about the the simple message repeated

935
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:16,560
often by trusted sources this is exactly

936
00:40:21,590 --> 00:40:19,260
what the hoax people are doing it's

937
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:21,600
repeated speaking about Australia of

938
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:24,090
course it's repeated often in the media

939
00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:27,210
you hear it a lot and you hear it from

940
00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:31,230
famous people and I can see how that

941
00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:34,260
would work but it really gets to me that

942
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:35,940
they keep repeating it's a hoax it's a

943
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:37,530
hoax to hope without realising well if

944
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:39,180
you can perpetrate a hoax of that

945
00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:41,970
magnitude that requires huge logistics

946
00:40:46,340 --> 00:40:44,760
apart from anything else but that

947
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:46,350
doesn't matter because all they hear is

948
00:40:48,290 --> 00:40:47,160
it's a hoax

949
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:48,300
and they don't have to think any more

950
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:51,000
about it right we have in our country

951
00:40:55,610 --> 00:40:52,410
and I I imagine it's the same in

952
00:40:58,750 --> 00:40:55,620
Australia that most people don't have

953
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:58,760
any particular identification or

954
00:41:04,490 --> 00:41:01,760
facility or even comfort with science

955
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:04,500
for the vast majority of people the last

956
00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:07,680
time they directly had an experience

957
00:41:12,620 --> 00:41:10,190
with science was in high school you know

958
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:12,630
it might be even younger because you

959
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:15,330
track earlier right so they're imagined

960
00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:17,010
are a lot of people who don't take high

961
00:41:21,830 --> 00:41:19,560
school science is that true if it well

962
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,840
my limited knowledge going back thirty

963
00:41:26,060 --> 00:41:23,760
years when I did high school the first

964
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:26,070
four years I know that you hire

965
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:29,010
scientists is mandatory and I'm sure

966
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:30,450
listeners will correct me if I'm wrong I

967
00:41:34,940 --> 00:41:32,490
think the last two years you need to

968
00:41:37,460 --> 00:41:34,950
take it down science at point being that

969
00:41:40,510 --> 00:41:37,470
certainly by the time people either

970
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:40,520
leave high school and don't go on to

971
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:42,510
university or they do go on to

972
00:41:46,070 --> 00:41:44,460
university a huge number of people who

973
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:46,080
go to the University don't really take

974
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:47,970
much in the way of science some schools

975
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:50,220
have a some sort of distribution

976
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,300
requirement where they have to take

977
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:54,000
something but they don't have any

978
00:41:59,720 --> 00:41:57,090
hands-on real engagement with

979
00:42:02,300 --> 00:41:59,730
after the time they're 18 years old they

980
00:42:05,570 --> 00:42:02,310
and and their experience of science may

981
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,580
well have not been very positive I guess

982
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:07,200
for some of them it was just to get

983
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:09,240
through the system right and they found

984
00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:11,220
interested yeah I don't know if you I

985
00:42:15,020 --> 00:42:13,020
find this all the time that when I say

986
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:15,030
I'm a scientist I often get the reaction

987
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,810
oh I was terrible at science you must be

988
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:20,880
really smart I wasn't good at science I

989
00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:23,460
thought it was really boring just lots

990
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:25,230
and lots of people their experience in

991
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:27,930
high school at with science was not all

992
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:30,690
that positive so their motivation to go

993
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:32,610
out and dig into science and figure

994
00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:34,290
something out for themselves is pretty

995
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:36,060
low yeah

996
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:38,220
and they often what they do see of

997
00:42:42,620 --> 00:42:40,290
science what they identify as science in

998
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:42,630
their world is very often things like

999
00:42:48,620 --> 00:42:46,110
nutrition studies which are it's

1000
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:48,630
particularly problematic because it's so

1001
00:42:53,810 --> 00:42:50,250
hard to do really good nutrition

1002
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:53,820
research so you do get this red wine is

1003
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:55,320
good for you and then five years later

1004
00:42:59,600 --> 00:42:57,000
red wine is bad for you and you should

1005
00:43:03,500 --> 00:42:59,610
know you shouldn't yes you should latest

1006
00:43:05,810 --> 00:43:03,510
one was coffee I think yeah any coffee

1007
00:43:07,460 --> 00:43:05,820
yeah so you hear this all the time that

1008
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:07,470
uh scientists they don't know what

1009
00:43:10,460 --> 00:43:08,970
they're talking about you know last year

1010
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:10,470
they said butter was bad now they say

1011
00:43:15,890 --> 00:43:12,570
it's okay so when someone says to them

1012
00:43:17,570 --> 00:43:15,900
yes like our president says you know no

1013
00:43:22,070 --> 00:43:17,580
one really knows if the climate is

1014
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:22,080
changing yeah that resonates as yeah no

1015
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:23,280
one really knows where the coffee is

1016
00:43:27,140 --> 00:43:25,800
good for you yeah yes well interestingly

1017
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:27,150
enough that these are the same are you

1018
00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:31,290
inside I've been subjected to from all

1019
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,540
sorts of areas including the paranormal

1020
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:36,240
Oh science keeps changing its mind next

1021
00:43:40,130 --> 00:43:37,650
year it'll say this what do you know

1022
00:43:43,630 --> 00:43:40,140
right same thing right yeah right and

1023
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:43,640
and the way science is taught especially

1024
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:48,090
under the in the K through 12 years it's

1025
00:43:52,070 --> 00:43:50,490
often taught as a box effects here's the

1026
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,080
textbook learn everything in this

1027
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:54,240
textbook now you know all about science

1028
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:56,490
of course it's not taught as a process

1029
00:44:00,539 --> 00:43:58,260
the process is a method as is that

1030
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:00,549
here's something to use for inquiry

1031
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:04,689
right yes ice online and so our new next

1032
00:44:08,910 --> 00:44:06,130
generation science standards that have

1033
00:44:12,089 --> 00:44:08,920
been adopted by about 20 states now are

1034
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:12,099
based very heavily on research into how

1035
00:44:17,489 --> 00:44:15,670
people learn science and the main

1036
00:44:19,890 --> 00:44:17,499
take-home message is that people learn a

1037
00:44:22,140 --> 00:44:19,900
lot more science if they actually

1038
00:44:23,819 --> 00:44:22,150
experience how science is done this is

1039
00:44:25,439 --> 00:44:23,829
not new news people were saying that's

1040
00:44:27,479 --> 00:44:25,449
about how to teach science for a hundred

1041
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:27,489
years but but these standards really do

1042
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:30,880
try to embody that and give students an

1043
00:44:37,229 --> 00:44:34,890
experience of engaging with evidence

1044
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:37,239
discussing the evidence discussing the

1045
00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:39,130
credibility of the evidence and the

1046
00:44:43,979 --> 00:44:41,049
relevance of the evidence and coming to

1047
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:43,989
a conclusion about how things work so

1048
00:44:46,890 --> 00:44:45,369
there were there were two wonderful

1049
00:44:48,479 --> 00:44:46,900
articles a couple of weeks ago one in

1050
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:48,489
The New York Times and one in The

1051
00:44:52,109 --> 00:44:49,529
Washington Post

1052
00:44:53,660 --> 00:44:52,119
talking to two high school teachers who

1053
00:44:58,019 --> 00:44:53,670
are teaching climate change in

1054
00:45:00,719 --> 00:44:58,029
communities that are very conservative

1055
00:45:06,569 --> 00:45:00,729
where there's a lot of skepticism about

1056
00:45:06,959 --> 00:45:06,579
the science skepticism he's that word

1057
00:45:11,849 --> 00:45:06,969
again

1058
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:11,859
yeah yeah and one of them interestingly

1059
00:45:17,609 --> 00:45:14,650
one community was in Ohio and the

1060
00:45:20,759 --> 00:45:17,619
teacher was from Ohio but not from that

1061
00:45:24,089 --> 00:45:20,769
community mm-hmm he was from Akron the

1062
00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:24,099
big city of that area and but teaching

1063
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:27,660
in a very conservative more rural area

1064
00:45:35,999 --> 00:45:32,170
and the other teachers in Wyoming hmm

1065
00:45:39,929 --> 00:45:36,009
and what the Wyoming teacher did was

1066
00:45:42,799 --> 00:45:39,939
take the students out to the woods have

1067
00:45:45,569 --> 00:45:42,809
them do a core sample of trees right

1068
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:45,579
calculate from the circumference of the

1069
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,529
tree and the width of the annual ring

1070
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:50,160
how much carbon dioxide had been

1071
00:45:57,419 --> 00:45:53,529
incorporated by that tree in that year

1072
00:45:59,880 --> 00:45:57,429
and then compare that to the emissions

1073
00:46:03,269 --> 00:45:59,890
of carbon dioxide from the car that the

1074
00:46:05,089 --> 00:46:03,279
kid drives to school so you're not

1075
00:46:08,789 --> 00:46:05,099
saying anything about climate change

1076
00:46:10,859 --> 00:46:08,799
you're just saying hey this is how trees

1077
00:46:12,179 --> 00:46:10,869
grow they the carbon in the tree comes

1078
00:46:12,810 --> 00:46:12,189
from the air which is something that a

1079
00:46:17,610 --> 00:46:12,820
minority

1080
00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:17,620
people know sort of shocking and and you

1081
00:46:22,860 --> 00:46:20,470
figure out how much carbon dioxide can

1082
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:22,870
one tree absorb in one year and then you

1083
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:24,310
figure out how much carbon dioxide does

1084
00:46:30,810 --> 00:46:27,010
your car MIT and the students start

1085
00:46:33,090 --> 00:46:30,820
having that moment of oh my gosh okay

1086
00:46:34,350 --> 00:46:33,100
but there would have to be I don't know

1087
00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:34,360
what the number turns out to be two

1088
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:37,660
hundred and twenty trees growing just to

1089
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take care of the carbon dioxide that

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comes out of my one car and they quote

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one of the students as saying I'm

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starting to get the scale of this

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00:46:48,420 --> 00:46:46,030
problem mm-hmm

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that's a really effective way to teach

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climate change because you're the

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students are engaging with the

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scientific method on their own and and

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they themselves can start to see the

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implications of what they're doing so

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what in your opinion and having looked

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00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:07,390
at this problem for some years now what

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is the appeal of the conspiracy hoax

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00:47:16,410 --> 00:47:13,510
side of thing why are they so passionate

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00:47:18,570 --> 00:47:16,420
that this is the situation well I'm not

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sure that it's the same for everybody

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00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:21,130
who passionately holds that position I

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00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:23,170
think that there for some people it's

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00:47:27,180 --> 00:47:25,390
just identity politics that this is what

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00:47:29,850 --> 00:47:27,190
makes me different from the other guys

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that you know they think this and we

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00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:32,560
think this and we're the good guys we're

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00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:34,510
all the good guys right everybody thinks

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00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:36,430
they're the good guys right yeah and and

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in the u.s. I don't know if you have

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this kind of polarization in Australia

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00:47:43,170 --> 00:47:40,840
as well it's just that's just getting

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worse and worse that it's that there's

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no expectation of almost humanity on the

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other side hmm

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then we think that they're they're evil

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00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:51,280
you know the people who don't agree with

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00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:54,160
us are evil yeah and so you know I I

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00:47:59,340 --> 00:47:56,700
reserved the evil designation for the

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for the people at the top who do know

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better I find it really difficult to

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believe that that the the high level

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00:48:12,660 --> 00:48:10,360
politicians really truly believe that

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the science is a big conspiracy they're

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a slave to their their voters to an

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00:48:18,990 --> 00:48:17,290
extent what I mean by that is if they

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00:48:21,450 --> 00:48:19,000
want to get back into office they're not

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00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:21,460
going to tip the boat too much right I

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00:48:27,390 --> 00:48:23,290
mean the Koch brothers who made their

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00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:27,400
money from fossil fuels are quite open

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00:48:31,770 --> 00:48:29,890
about if you don't get on board with

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being against doing anything about

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00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:34,090
climate change we will support someone

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00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:35,320
who will run against you in the next

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00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:38,110
primary hmm so they've kind of got a a

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00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:41,530
headlock on the party because of their

1141
00:48:48,750 --> 00:48:44,530
ability to fund opponents to these

1142
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:48,760
Republican candidates it would take a

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00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,850
lot of courage for a Republican to come

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00:48:56,430 --> 00:48:53,680
out and say you know it's not a

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00:48:58,560 --> 00:48:56,440
conspiracy yeah yeah above politics is a

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00:49:00,780 --> 00:48:58,570
game of compromise of course but it's

1147
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,790
sad to see that it has to be so in this

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00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:03,040
situation and when you when you combine

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00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,450
that with the fact that in the u.s.

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voting districts are decided by a

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00:49:11,460 --> 00:49:09,010
redistricting process every ten years

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00:49:13,890 --> 00:49:11,470
based on the US Census and in the last

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00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:13,900
census the Republicans controlled that

1154
00:49:18,450 --> 00:49:15,310
redistricting process and a lot of

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00:49:19,590 --> 00:49:18,460
states so there are many more districts

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00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,600
than there used to be that are safe

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00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:22,240
Republican districts so there's no

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00:49:26,820 --> 00:49:24,610
longer any incentive for those

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00:49:29,010 --> 00:49:26,830
candidates to run from the center

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00:49:31,290 --> 00:49:29,020
because they don't have to appeal to any

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00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:31,300
Democrats or independents they they only

1162
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:34,270
have to win the Republicans in their

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00:49:37,050 --> 00:49:35,410
district and then they're going to win

1164
00:49:38,970 --> 00:49:37,060
the seat which they going to do anyway

1165
00:49:40,530 --> 00:49:38,980
probably unless they say you know what

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00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:40,540
we got to stop lying about climate

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00:49:44,940 --> 00:49:42,070
change then someone's gonna run from

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00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:44,950
there right and or or says you know what

1169
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:47,490
Obamacare turned out not to be that bad

1170
00:49:53,310 --> 00:49:50,410
you're gonna get a primary component and

1171
00:49:54,660 --> 00:49:53,320
you're gonna lose your seat so you know

1172
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,670
I don't know when the fever's gonna

1173
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:57,040
break with that because it's so

1174
00:50:01,140 --> 00:49:58,690
dysfunctional as you can see they get

1175
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:01,150
they win the Senate and the house and

1176
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:02,770
the presidency and they still can't do

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00:50:06,690 --> 00:50:04,720
anything it's tough isn't it because

1178
00:50:10,020 --> 00:50:06,700
they've just been the party of no yeah

1179
00:50:13,770 --> 00:50:10,030
yes so yeah so that's a real problem

1180
00:50:16,140 --> 00:50:13,780
when it comes to to climate change this

1181
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,150
job is one frustration after another the

1182
00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:18,160
must haves but there must be nice pots

1183
00:50:24,570 --> 00:50:20,590
well again the idea of working with

1184
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:24,580
teachers is so refreshing because most

1185
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:29,770
of them want to teach the science and I

1186
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:32,410
think what's what's really challenging

1187
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:36,130
for NCSE is if we want to

1188
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:40,390
make progress in on evolution in very

1189
00:50:45,930 --> 00:50:42,850
religious communities of which the

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00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:45,940
United States has many if we want to

1191
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:47,910
make progress on climate change in

1192
00:50:56,270 --> 00:50:52,770
heavily Republican areas we have to

1193
00:51:00,720 --> 00:50:56,280
fiercely police ourselves from being a

1194
00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:00,730
good guy bad guy we just cannot be those

1195
00:51:05,610 --> 00:51:02,710
gosh-darn creationists they're they're

1196
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:05,620
terrible they're there are anti science

1197
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:07,210
they're in denial

1198
00:51:12,690 --> 00:51:09,040
yeah because too many people identify

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00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:12,700
with them and so to change our language

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00:51:19,830 --> 00:51:15,670
to be very inclusive to be very

1201
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:19,840
respectful to be you know recognizing

1202
00:51:27,110 --> 00:51:23,440
that lots of people hold these what we

1203
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:27,120
would call anti science views if you'll

1204
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:30,510
accept my term in good faith yeah

1205
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:34,480
they've come to them from not from a an

1206
00:51:39,210 --> 00:51:37,210
evil place but from a place that when

1207
00:51:41,370 --> 00:51:39,220
you look at it makes a lot of sense and

1208
00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:41,380
so if we want to try to change their

1209
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:43,240
minds we have to gain their trust we

1210
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,370
have to gain their respect and then we

1211
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:47,680
can have the sort of earn the right to

1212
00:51:53,730 --> 00:51:50,800
start talking about the evidence and

1213
00:51:56,490 --> 00:51:53,740
talking about it in a way that is not

1214
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:56,500
top-down and not here I am Joe

1215
00:52:00,810 --> 00:51:58,090
scientists coming in and telling you

1216
00:52:05,130 --> 00:52:00,820
what to think but colleague to colleague

1217
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:05,140
or you know teacher to student of hey

1218
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:06,640
let's go out and measure some tree rings

1219
00:52:10,590 --> 00:52:08,890
mmm I'm gonna put the science in your

1220
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:10,600
hands I'm not going to tell you what to

1221
00:52:15,780 --> 00:52:13,570
think I'm gonna have you engaged with

1222
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:15,790
the evidence yourself how can people

1223
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:18,880
find out more where can the NCSE calm on

1224
00:52:23,370 --> 00:52:21,010
the web we have lots of information

1225
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:23,380
there and of course if you become a

1226
00:52:26,670 --> 00:52:23,920
member

1227
00:52:28,890 --> 00:52:26,680
mm-hmm you can get our newsletter every

1228
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:28,900
three months and the newsletter now

1229
00:52:32,580 --> 00:52:30,610
really focuses on what are we doing for

1230
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:32,590
teachers what how are our booster clubs

1231
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:34,690
doing what kinds of flare-ups have we

1232
00:52:40,350 --> 00:52:36,910
dealt with and and what's been the

1233
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:40,360
outcome of these legislation and across

1234
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:41,680
the United States and sometimes around

1235
00:52:48,810 --> 00:52:44,290
the world so at the the newsletter is is

1236
00:52:50,970 --> 00:52:48,820
a great way to keep up to date with what

1237
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:50,980
we're doing and and of course the

1238
00:52:55,710 --> 00:52:53,680
website is very rich yeah well I think

1239
00:52:57,420 --> 00:52:55,720
it's applicable for science teachers no

1240
00:52:59,400 --> 00:52:57,430
matter where you are from Australia to

1241
00:53:01,470 --> 00:52:59,410
the United States to to everywhere

1242
00:53:03,630 --> 00:53:01,480
mm-hmm I think any science teacher would

1243
00:53:06,270 --> 00:53:03,640
do well to visit your site once again in

1244
00:53:15,060 --> 00:53:06,280
pleasure to be here thank you it's great

1245
00:53:17,340 --> 00:53:15,070
to see you again join us again next week

1246
00:53:20,550 --> 00:53:17,350
when Ann will discuss her work into

1247
00:53:23,980 --> 00:53:20,560
sequencing the genetic code of the 1918

1248
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:23,990
Spanish flu epidemic

1249
00:53:43,420 --> 00:53:42,850
Tuesday the 1st of August 2017 at 7:30

1250
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:43,430
p.m.

1251
00:53:49,950 --> 00:53:46,970
Morty skeptics in the pub its how do we

1252
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:49,960
know if Australia is effectively

1253
00:54:00,880 --> 00:53:53,510
steaming along with stem a talk by dr.

1254
00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:00,890
Christine Redman our Australian

1255
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:03,110
education standards dropping in science

1256
00:54:08,110 --> 00:54:05,330
and maths together we will examine what

1257
00:54:10,810 --> 00:54:08,120
STEM science technology engineering and

1258
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:10,820
mathematics and STEM education means for

1259
00:54:15,970 --> 00:54:13,760
Australia today we will review two key

1260
00:54:19,540 --> 00:54:15,980
stem people's activities and products

1261
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:19,550
and align these to the apparent 2017

1262
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:23,450
visions for stem in Australia dr.

1263
00:54:28,060 --> 00:54:25,370
Christine Redmond is a passionate

1264
00:54:30,010 --> 00:54:28,070
science educator she is senior lecturer

1265
00:54:32,350 --> 00:54:30,020
in science education at the Melbourne

1266
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:32,360
Graduate School of Education University

1267
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:37,970
always an interesting night out at the

1268
00:54:43,130 --> 00:54:40,770
Maury Alec skeptics in the pub more the

1269
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:43,140
Alec Sporting Club this is Tuesday the

1270
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:47,250
1st of August 2017 at 7:30 p.m. and for

1271
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:49,980
more information visit Morrie skeptics

1272
00:54:55,850 --> 00:54:52,410
in the pub on meetup or just follow the

1273
00:55:12,660 --> 00:54:55,860
links from this week's show notes

1274
00:55:17,380 --> 00:55:15,099
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1275
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:17,390
zone now a couple of notes to round off

1276
00:55:22,030 --> 00:55:18,650
this week's show

1277
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:22,040
our reporter and friend and the

1278
00:55:27,790 --> 00:55:25,010
president of Australian skeptics here on

1279
00:55:30,190 --> 00:55:27,800
Segev has recently been a guest on a

1280
00:55:34,210 --> 00:55:30,200
show called space-time now this is a

1281
00:55:36,579 --> 00:55:34,220
science astronomy program online hosted

1282
00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:36,589
by Stuart Gary and for those people in

1283
00:55:41,740 --> 00:55:38,750
Australia you may remember Stuart had a

1284
00:55:44,859 --> 00:55:41,750
long-running program called star stuff

1285
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:44,869
on ABC News radio well now he's moved

1286
00:55:53,859 --> 00:55:50,720
online and he has a regular astronomy

1287
00:55:56,290 --> 00:55:53,869
based science based podcasts so I will

1288
00:55:58,780 --> 00:55:56,300
put a link in the show notes and you can

1289
00:56:01,690 --> 00:55:58,790
hear that terrific podcast and enjoy the

1290
00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:01,700
contributions by Iran so give speaking

1291
00:56:06,099 --> 00:56:04,190
about being on the radio I'll also add

1292
00:56:09,130 --> 00:56:06,109
another link in this week's show notes

1293
00:56:10,839 --> 00:56:09,140
to my recent appearance here on Sydney

1294
00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:10,849
radio which is syndicated around the

1295
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:13,190
country it's an early morning very early

1296
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:16,130
morning really early morning radio show

1297
00:56:22,660 --> 00:56:19,520
but it's nice to be on the air so to

1298
00:56:24,130 --> 00:56:22,670
speak and heard around the country now

1299
00:56:27,069 --> 00:56:24,140
it's worth noting and we might be

1300
00:56:29,770 --> 00:56:27,079
chasing this story up that the VAX

1301
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:29,780
bus or team or something like that I

1302
00:56:34,450 --> 00:56:31,970
here in Australia at the moment causing

1303
00:56:37,780 --> 00:56:34,460
controversy which is what they want to

1304
00:56:40,180 --> 00:56:37,790
do going around the country screening

1305
00:56:44,530 --> 00:56:40,190
the movie the documentary the

1306
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,540
pseudo-documentary waxed and I noticed

1307
00:56:50,859 --> 00:56:46,880
dr. Aichi in fact put a couple of videos

1308
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:50,869
up online of the VAX team basically

1309
00:56:54,190 --> 00:56:52,609
whinging and whining that they're not

1310
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:54,200
getting the press coverage they deserve

1311
00:56:59,530 --> 00:56:56,810
and yada yada yada I think that might be

1312
00:57:01,480 --> 00:56:59,540
a story we'll be looking at pretty soon

1313
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:01,490
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00:57:17,050 --> 00:57:15,319
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the hell why not so why don't you all go

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00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:28,519
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1325
00:57:37,479 --> 00:57:30,049
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00:57:39,099 --> 00:57:37,489
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00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:20,660
album from there might be giant Apollo

1354
00:59:27,730 --> 00:59:25,730
18 but then the show took a very strange

1355
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:27,740
turn just after three o'clock just as I

1356
00:59:31,540 --> 00:59:30,170
was about to interview a born-again to

1357
00:59:33,490 --> 00:59:31,550
do their last interview before they went

1358
00:59:35,530 --> 00:59:33,500
to the UK to become fabulously

1359
00:59:37,330 --> 00:59:35,540
successful my producer Anne Murray

1360
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:37,340
signaled me and there was a caller

1361
00:59:41,710 --> 00:59:39,530
called Rachel on the line who want to

1362
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:41,720
tell me something she'd recently done

1363
00:59:48,770 --> 00:59:45,650
that was very very exciting

1364
00:59:51,530 --> 00:59:48,780
[Music]

1365
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:51,540
am I wrong again is that Rachel hi right

1366
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:53,010
so you've had a mind-blowing experience

1367
00:59:57,350 --> 00:59:55,920
over the week I have dreams they make

1368
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,360
please you've had three mind-blowing

1369
01:00:01,100 --> 00:59:59,280
experiences hey I want your dealers

1370
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:01,110
number what's the story Rachel I've been

1371
01:00:05,180 --> 01:00:03,210
Neil Diamond three times Maynard Neil

1372
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:05,190
Diamond three times and you went back

1373
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:08,400
for the second and the third yes I did

1374
01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:10,290
now you did you work with the hell is

1375
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:11,670
that why you saw him so often oh yeah

1376
01:00:15,380 --> 01:00:13,680
but I would have paid if I had to you

1377
01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:15,390
would have paid twice I wouldn't pay

1378
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:17,790
three times insane it was so wild about

1379
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:20,970
Neil Diamond he's very sexy sexy after

1380
01:00:23,630 --> 01:00:22,410
all this time not telling anything I

1381
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:23,640
don't know there whenever people think

1382
01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:25,290
of sex I think of Neil Diamond

1383
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,480
immediately definitely know what

1384
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:29,040
actually did make me so sexy this time

1385
01:00:33,590 --> 01:00:31,050
around there was no underpants involved

1386
01:00:35,420 --> 01:00:33,600
which was a surprise but mama I know it

1387
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:35,430
was above a bit I don't know he's just

1388
01:00:39,410 --> 01:00:37,530
got this aura around him may not and

1389
01:00:41,150 --> 01:00:39,420
everyone screamed and it was just wild

1390
01:00:45,050 --> 01:00:41,160
people screamed at Neil Diamond

1391
01:00:47,330 --> 01:00:45,060
absolutely all that screaming yeah no no

1392
01:00:49,130 --> 01:00:47,340
no not get off just I don't know Neil

1393
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:49,140
probably what was the highlight of the

1394
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:51,450
evening oh that's a hard one I mean

1395
01:00:55,730 --> 01:00:53,370
songs on blue was wild

1396
01:00:57,260 --> 01:00:55,740
and hot ogres no it was definitely very

1397
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:57,270
hot and sexy but of course the question

1398
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:59,040
I want answered me because losing me

1399
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:00,480
this doesn't get tickets and gonca

1400
01:01:08,380 --> 01:01:02,640
tickets gets all over but I tell you did

1401
01:01:15,070 --> 01:01:11,000
sweeties best song I know the lyrics

1402
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:16,850
because look at the long introduction

1403
01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:20,010
you guys did it and then he sort of

1404
01:01:25,250 --> 01:01:22,020
wanders on the stage oh yeah the one you

1405
01:01:27,050 --> 01:01:25,260
play before day for a day yeah oh you

1406
01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:27,060
just said he didn't I know I'm lying he

1407
01:01:30,110 --> 01:01:28,680
did and it was wild look you could be

1408
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:30,120
like me Mon I've even seen you could

1409
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:32,730
just be pulling my cousin I mean I would

1410
01:01:37,310 --> 01:01:36,180
no I'm not okay well look that Neil was

1411
01:01:38,750 --> 01:01:37,320
pretty big look we looked around the

1412
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:38,760
triple del RB in a few minutes we had

1413
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:39,690
while you're on the phone we couldn't

1414
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,010
find any nail Diamond we could even find

1415
01:01:45,290 --> 01:01:43,440
ups and downs doing style true man find

1416
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:45,300
anything but I understand the cure are a

1417
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:47,250
supporting new line takes European to us

1418
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:49,650
we're gonna buy them like they're

1419
01:01:52,220 --> 01:01:50,970
fighting over who gets top billing but

1420
01:01:53,900 --> 01:01:52,230
you know I think they'll probably win it

1421
01:01:55,220 --> 01:01:53,910
out there oh I think it's my fake face

1422
01:01:59,600 --> 01:01:55,230
so in one word well how would you

1423
01:02:01,370 --> 01:01:59,610
describe nailed are me sexy dr. Rachel

1424
01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:01,380
cyan't lead say it proud

1425
01:02:07,580 --> 01:02:04,230
I love Neil Diamond all the way from

1426
01:02:10,220 --> 01:02:07,590
1992 to you you can hear more on Sunday

1427
01:02:12,350 --> 01:02:10,230
afternoon fever at Manor calm dot are

1428
01:02:14,270 --> 01:02:12,360
you but I think dr. H was only on the

1429
01:02:16,220 --> 01:02:14,280
one show I mean I know she rang wants to